Reform UK’s Richard Tice found himself in hot water on TalkTV last night as presenter Julia Hartley-Brewer tore into his defence of Donald Trump’s approach to the Ukraine war.
Trump has recently announced plans to negotiate a peace deal between Ukraine and Vladimir Putin, but his idea of diplomacy seems to involve Ukraine giving up land to Russia. That’s right—handing over a chunk of their country to make the problem go away.
The US Defence Secretary Pete Hegseth has already floated the idea that Russia should be allowed to keep a fifth of Ukraine’s territory and that Ukraine should be blocked from joining NATO.
With Reform UK often singing from the Trump hymn sheet, Tice came prepared to back the former president’s stance. But Hartley-Brewer wasn’t having any of it.
“Which Part of Britain Would You Give Away?”
The grilling started with a simple but brutal question from Hartley-Brewer:
“Which part of Britain would you give away if we were invaded and you wanted to negotiate peace?”
Tice hesitated: “None at all—”
But before he could finish, she jumped in:
“Oh, so we wouldn’t give away any of Britain, but it’s OK for us to give away a bit of Ukraine?”
Awkward.
Tice tried to recover by saying it’s up to Ukraine whether they give land away, but Hartley-Brewer pointed out that Ukraine doesn’t want to give away its land.
“Of course it doesn’t! But ultimately, it’s Zelenskyy’s decision,” Tice replied. “We’ve got to stop killing people.”
Hartley-Brewer shot back: “Wars stop when one side is defeated. Sorry, have you heard of the Second World War?”
A “Ridiculous Analogy” and a History Lesson
At one point, Tice compared the situation to Northern Ireland’s Troubles, suggesting peace deals can be made without total victory.
But Hartley-Brewer wasn’t buying it:
“We didn’t give away territory to an invading force! That’s a ridiculous analogy.”
Tice persisted, but she wasn’t done:
“Sorry, who invaded Northern Ireland?”
Silence.
Tice, now scrambling, tried to insist that wars stop when people stop fighting.
“No,” Hartley-Brewer corrected him. “Wars stop when one side is defeated.”
“It’s Not Our Problem” – Or Is It?
As the debate raged on, Hartley-Brewer suggested the real reason Trump wants a peace deal is because the war isn’t America’s problem—but it could soon be Europe’s problem.
“Except it will be our problem when Vladimir Putin thinks he can take any country in Europe he damn well pleases,” she warned.
Tice insisted that negotiation would stop Putin from going any further.
“You clearly don’t understand how President Trump works,” he argued. “He starts in one position, that doesn’t mean that’s where he settles.”
Hartley-Brewer smirked: “You know what you don’t do in a negotiation? You set out a position where you give the other side everything that they want. Literally what they’ve done.”
She then hit Tice with a final devastating blow:
“I thought Reform cared about national borders and security. Just… apparently not all of them.”
Tice, now visibly struggling, doubled down on his “the war must stop” argument.
So Hartley-Brewer asked him one last, killer question:
“How long would you fight for this country?”
Without hesitation, Tice replied: “Until I’m dead.”
Her response?
“Well, exactly. That’s what the Ukrainian people would ideally do if they were given support.”
Mic drop.
You can watch it below:
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